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Title: Anniversary
Post by: Kieren on February 02, 2012, 08:58:59 PM
We all know its a sad day to remember but I'm raising a glass in his honour.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 02, 2012, 10:49:41 PM
It all happens in Feb. I spent most of today talking to National Film and Sound Archive mostly about Dave. A lengthy interview. Coincidental that today was the day but good to attempt to dredge up memories. February's other anniversary is the one most people prefer to mark I guess.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 02, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
It rolls around again. Feb is Dave's month. It's good that it prods me to find some time to search for meaningful things to share with you all. Coming soon. And nice to speak with instigator of this particular topic yesterday to our our mutual benefit.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 02, 2013, 07:26:22 PM
It rolls around again. Feb is Dave's month. It's good that it prods me to find some time to search for meaningful things to share with you all. Coming soon.

Can't wait to see (or hear). Thanks for doing all this, glee. I know you've got your hands plenty full with other stuff.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 02, 2013, 08:37:18 PM
Me too. Great excuse to put the itunes Triffids related playlist on random as the soundtrack of the day - 577 songs from solo to Susans, Triffids to Costar & Red Ponies.

"The outskirts of love" indeed. Cheers everyone!
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 03, 2013, 06:56:19 AM
After 104 songs on shuffle, now switched to vinyl. "Love in Bright Landscapes" hangs together well after all these years....now playing "The Message" which is miles better than I remembered (always loved the b-side) and I have now played it three times in a row......

Glee - I note that the a and b side versions are "KSDS" mixes. Who ias KSDS? And are there any "straight" versions? Was more recorded and not released? Who played on the sessions?

Ta :)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 03, 2013, 07:20:56 AM
....and further into vinyl ephemera, the different single mix of Holy Water......Willie the Torch/I Don't Need You is actually rather fine in its own way.....now off on a tangent with the Glee starring Paradise Vendors and Standard Country Vol 1  8)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 03, 2013, 06:59:59 PM
......and fell asleep to Devil Please from the final Costar sessions. Perfect end to a day of only listening to Dave/Triffids related music. Hopefully one day the sessions will be mixed down properly and released. Your next challenge Glee?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 03, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
Sounds like a mammoth listening session. I'm impressed with the completist nature of some choices. Standard Country - that's hardcore.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: KrieB on February 04, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
(Triple elephant stamp to Sonofa?)

It rolls around again. Feb is Dave's month. It's good that it prods me to find some time to search for meaningful things to share with you all. Coming soon.

It's like a bit seasonal - with that curiosity of reversing dates - first passing then birthday...
The distance / thickness of time that can all of a sudden become again acutely thin-frail, the difference of real life and 'paper-life'... It's always mixed to opposite situations and emotions... like listening in weeping willow mode to the DMcC-catalogue and then 'making the mistake'  :) of switching to the 'early tapes' and consequently not being able to keep up the weeping willow face... No a persistent grin and hurting cheeks all on account of  "take us to your leader - tell her that we need her - we all got the fever" prrrhaha!

Very convinced Glee is still sitting like a mother goose on a treasure-trove of little and big things that'll do a bit pang and a lot of marvel.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: KrieB on February 04, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
Oh damn, my post above seems yet another attempt at trying to put something in between words while that something isn't even a clear thought etc.

I was going through the beautiful waste poetry volume today, just because I wanted to (though maybe also to find a sort of fitting quote to post as a thankyou on Luc Janssen’s radiopage-show - but that won't work)

Amongst them little things out of the Glee treasure-trove that I really like are those pictures on the facebook site, of a young David and family, like the one “plundering the ocean” Wasn't it his older brother calling him (and his mum?) ‘beachcombers’ (on occasion of the Sydney or Perth festival shows?) Well the idea of ‘sand to sand’ and ‘back to the sea’ as expressed in a couple of the poems is really existentially meaningful  and beautiful without frills.

If I had to pick one favorite for right now (favorite yes, but without being totally sure about all of its meaning :) …), expressing ‘fleeing’, uncatchable things and their purpose of existence it would be ‘The driest tastes, the smallest details

The driest tastes, the smallest details,
All that escapes mention in the night
Escapes care;
Flees from well-meaning clutches of compassion
And from effusive vessels
Which collide randomly in mid-air.
These dark, fugitive things
Gather in silt.
Some smile weakly and wilt.
A few burn
Their combustion dazzling, black and complete;
But invisible to reason,
For what knows reason
Of such an icy heat?


Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 04, 2013, 04:39:07 PM
After 104 songs on shuffle, now switched to vinyl. "Love in Bright Landscapes" hangs together well after all these years....now playing "The Message" which is miles better than I remembered (always loved the b-side) and I have now played it three times in a row......

Glee - I note that the a and b side versions are "KSDS" mixes. Who ias KSDS? And are there any "straight" versions? Was more recorded and not released? Who played on the sessions?

Ta :)

Uh-hum, I'll second this line of questioning. Inquiring minds want to know... also, I seem to dimly remember that in a costar interview, David indicated that Will Akers did most of the vocals, so is he also singing "Devil Please"?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 04, 2013, 05:18:19 PM
I think mostly Dave and Stephen Street playing and programming. I don't know much about The Message I'm afraid. Which version of Devil Please is being referenced? Will sometimes sang it live I think but I could be wrong. Will sang some songs I costar but Dave was main vocalist.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 04, 2013, 10:01:46 PM
I just realised that I actually asked two questions in one. Naturally, that would've made very little sense, but oddly enough, the answer does. I should've realised then that this was the onset of the flu-like whatnot that's currently got me sofa-bound, so I apologise for being a disorganised doofus and retreat to my cuppa... here's to a speedy recovery of my mental faculties.  :-[
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 04, 2013, 11:48:37 PM
That's ok.
There are a few more songs up on thetriffids.com from the Eindhoven 85 show.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 05, 2013, 06:18:15 AM
Which version of Devil Please is being referenced? Will sometimes sang it live I think but I could be wrong. Will sang some songs I costar but Dave was main vocalist.


The version from the Windsoe Demos, not the version posted on the audio page here - which is also very fine. It is definitely Dave singing - on all of the tracks:

I Kept My Eye On You   Costar   The Windsor Demos         4:02
Murder In The Dark      Costar   The Windsor Demos         5:00
Lucky For Some      Costar   The Windsor Demos         4:04
Everything Fixed Is Killed   Costar   The Windsor Demos         7:23
Devil Please      Costar   The Windsor Demos         3:43
The Good Life Never Ends   Costar   The Windsor Demos         3:08
Lucky For Some #2      Costar   The Windsor Demos         5:24

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: mark t on February 05, 2013, 09:11:57 AM
Sounds like a mammoth listening session. I'm impressed with the completist nature of some choices. Standard Country - that's hardcore.

even for an (occasional) Standard patron  :)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 06, 2013, 05:25:04 AM
Sounds like a mammoth listening session. I'm impressed with the completist nature of some choices. Standard Country - that's hardcore.

even for an (occasional) Standard patron  :)

Me too. Like - once!

And here are the PV's in action....
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 08, 2013, 11:20:57 PM
Eindhoven show is up in its entirety now. Looking around for other things to share with you.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 09, 2013, 01:44:45 AM
That's pretty generous already...and I've only partly listened to the "Lonesome Hobo" opener so far!
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 09, 2013, 03:15:23 AM
Thank you. Thank you, and THANK you!
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 10, 2013, 10:18:53 AM
Excellent to hear a good quality recording of the 1985 Euro tour setlist that originally got me hooked - I think SP might have made the list as well at my first show, but otherwise this is a real nostalgia fest. Can't Help is as I remember it - great vocal performance and a swish band. Your steel guitar sounds pretty good on this recording too, Graham, for a beginner ;-) In a perfect world, since being there is no longer an option, I'd like to hear this in 5.1 surround sound through some bass heavy speakers. But this'll do for now. Cheers!
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 10, 2013, 10:20:36 AM
I meant to also say that Chicken Killer sounds surprisingly killer.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 11, 2013, 02:05:28 AM
Thanks Glee - great show, great sound too. You definitely add something Graham as Urpal says. And Marty FUCKEN ROCKS!

One question - can you still download the songs or do they have to be streamed?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 11, 2013, 03:34:48 AM
Thanks Glee - great show, great sound too. You definitely add something Graham as Urpal says. And Marty FUCKEN ROCKS!

One question - can you still download the songs or do they have to be streamed?

Well, I downloaded them. Save what you can and all that... hope that didn't lead me to a life of crime... ::)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: KrieB on February 11, 2013, 04:26:41 AM
Thank you very much Graham (and Carlos Van Hijfte for recording and treasuring this Eindhoven show)
Really a pleasure to hear always more different versions of the songs (be it little detailed or bigger shifting differences) Is that a pleasure of the long(er) life of things? - maybe - but also just the pleasure of encountering small details... And on the other hand, who ran into the Triffids this way for a first time definitely hadn't a chance but to surrender, what an immediate impact!
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 12, 2013, 04:55:27 AM
On the subject of WOR, have others noticed that Django Django's almost Mercury Prize winning album features a song going by those initials? It bears little resemblance to Wide Open Road of course but might be described as Triffidesque in the One Mechanic part of Town.

The answer to my question about whether the title of Django Django's new single "Wor" bears any relationship to the shortening of "Wide Open Road" to WOR which has become a form of shorthand on this forum was coincidentally answered in a Q&A between Mark Radcliffe and some Djangoists on Radcliffe's BBC6Music radio show last Friday afternoon. Apparently nothing, nothing apparently. I guess the internet creates a tendency through information overload on which our minds seek to impose order to sometimes create mirages of speculative connections where there are none. I think Nick Cave probably covers that subject somewhere on his new record?

Meanwhile, back on boogie street, I went to see Django Django live last Friday, and, spurred on by Graham's appeal for fans to make this a time to maybe help in your own small way introduce new potential fans to The Triffids legacy, I went to the show in a Triffids T-shirt (the Marty windblown tree design). The show was an NME Awards line-up of projected "upcoming acts" of the moment (Peace, Palma Violets, Miles Kane & Django Django), so the general profile of the audience made me feel something of a lone shark swimming in a sea of minnows.

Interestingly, and perhaps reassuringly, I noticed that quite a lot of the teens and twenty somethings around me wore T-shirts of loyalty to brands of yesteryear (specifically I saw a young girl in a Joy Division shirt and a young lad in a Smiths one). So, my fashion statement may not have been bang up to the minute but the much younger company I was keeping were, at least taste wise, still effectively occupying my past with me (perhaps in a more parochial and harder sold space).

Anyway, just before Django Django came on, I found myself passing the time chatting to a pleasant lass in the audience who had first caught my attention by dragging me into a mobile "family reunion" pic taken by her brother and in which she was posing with her sister. She asked about The Triffids and said she'd look them up. In turn, she recommended I check out the band Postal Service, which I'll do as I see that they are being featured on 6Music due to the reunion tour she was telling me about. I can't say whether or not she'll look up The Triffids, but the photograph might at least jog her memory next time she is flipping pics.

On the subject of BBC6Music and random connectology, I also spotted Marc Riley in the Django Django audience and he played Johnny Cash's Wide Open Road on his radio show t'other night. I thought Cash's song was pretty good.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: genkboy on February 12, 2013, 08:49:16 PM
Thanks very much, Graham. This is a show from the period I "discovered" The Triffds (Field of glass, Raining pleasure and Treeless plain were on heavy rotation).
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 12, 2013, 09:55:10 PM
There are some new photos up in the "Triffids in the 80s" section.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 12, 2013, 11:13:45 PM
Thanks Glee. Great pics. Interesting to see the whole of the photo from which the ASITSOAS shows poster was extracted.

I'm left wondering what the song "Rock'n'Roll Accountancy" was like? Pretty shambolic if its name is anything to go by!
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 13, 2013, 06:36:59 PM
I may unleash some Dalsy material. Pretty wild stuff. There are plenty more pics up now.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 13, 2013, 07:03:41 PM
I may unleash some Dalsy material. Pretty wild stuff. There are plenty more pics up now.

Yes, please! Or should that be: sir, may we have another?!  ;) Crazy February of the best kind.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: praxeas on February 13, 2013, 07:59:22 PM
Anticipation and terror in equal measures here...
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 13, 2013, 08:17:08 PM
Praxeas you've seen the liner notes for Live At Steve's I presume
?
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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: praxeas on February 13, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
You know, I hadn't - at least not in living memory. Now dealing with a mixture of feelings fitting for an anniversary, as you can well imagine. As ever, grateful for your work in this, glee...
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 13, 2013, 08:58:21 PM
It's as if he knew the time would come for you to read this account in some odd circumstance at some point.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 13, 2013, 11:10:00 PM
No Dalsy yet but some other items of interest added.
There will be no Valentine's Day theming going on I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 14, 2013, 02:51:20 AM
Thank God for that. Too much mush is bad for the brain. Keep the good stuff for the birthday.
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 14, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
Thanks. Apart from making obvious what we lost just before the last century expired, listening to those samples has helped me clarify in my own mind why BS was simultaneously ambitious, inspired and also unlikely to impress the band's established fanbase. The guitar is an obvious bit player in a more intricate, spacious and orchestrally nuanced palate of sound. The wander down Smiths Street involved in the dynamics of the sound is clearer too - the crystalline and clean with only occasional wallop. That's not intended as a criticism - I've spent a good chunk of my last week listening to Morricone, Arvo Part and Michael Nyman Greenway era and this doesn't sound out of place in that company.

The other thing that has sort of shocked me is how ecstatically optimistic Too Hot sounds without the claustrophobia introduced by the words. It's a goddamn fanfare for the steaming pile! So unless I'm suffering from "down for you is upness" then that is something of a musical twist of fate that's been pulled off.

Finally listening to those pieces has reassured me that I can still pick out fine detail in a tune, so that Swans gig last year wasn't as damaging as it might have seemed at the time.
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 14, 2013, 09:46:33 AM
Oh, and I forgot to ask, when Spinning Top was performed live, which elements were performed live and how much was backing track?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 14, 2013, 04:51:31 PM
Just vocals were live on the one time we did it thusly.
As I said it was a bad night in Madrid. Fine Young Cannibals on before us. Venue was a disco with a swimming pool in it. We had a lot of time to kill before the show. We were playing to a backing track. Do I need to go on?
Actually it may even have been a different song but precise memory is hazy.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 14, 2013, 08:32:32 PM
I was asking in the context of the Birmingham Irish Centre gig (see joytotheworld's setlist posted here earlier this week and my previous memories of the gig on here if they are still around).

Are you saying the song was only very rarely performed in concert? I assumed from my experience that it was a staple of the BS era live set.

Were I guessing, at least bass, guitar and vocals were live in the performance of the song I saw and presumably drums and keyboards as well, though I guess the siren-like dance beat stuff was rendered by a backing track.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 14, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Scrub that glee. I assume you are talking there with a different vocal part.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 14, 2013, 09:13:31 PM
When we did it live we had a sequence going but vocals, guitars etc were live. The performance that brings back nightmares had just live vocals as it was on tv.



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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 14, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
I was just watching a streaming live performance by Richard Hawley on BBC6Music in a Valentine's Day special. One of the songs he did was about his love of nature. Lauren Laverne MC'ing the event made the following comment afterwards - "Awesome and arborial: the two things can go together". True, true.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 17, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
So now it's a happy birthday to Dave. It feels a little odd to wish him well as if he were here but it feels right. Some new audio on the site. Paradise from Tape4 and a live Property from Seaview Ballroom 1985. How are you spending 17th February?

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: praxeas on February 17, 2013, 04:58:56 PM
Strumming and humming "Too Hot to Move" here...
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: seb on February 17, 2013, 06:38:33 PM
Thanx Glee! The costar tracks were first of the rank for me today...doing a little February video sharing this afternoon ;)
I was in Melbourne for The Susans yesterday...thanx for a great show...think a pin could have dropped when Rob was singing 'Souls' ...beautiful x
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 17, 2013, 06:58:27 PM
Happy birthday to Dave. It's a sunny winter morning here in Manchester. Not too cold to move. The sunlight is streaming and the coffee is steaming. A walk might be good, but I believe curtains are on the cards. Looking for some rather than drawing them....Thanks for the tunes.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: KrieB on February 18, 2013, 08:38:10 AM
Well damn, yesterday-saturday evening I let the opportunity pass to go on a Triffids ramble (or to do the february missionary thing...) The question "what kind of music do you like?" must have been asked at least twice and I didn't get much more eloquent than "oooh, all sorts of..." ::) :-[ How the hell was that possible - normally nearly all music conversation i ramblingly participate in leads one way or the other to me bringing up the Triffids (N. Cave & M. Casey mostly always acting as the 'gobetweens' ::) ;D) Well happy birthday to David anyway!  :-[

The old Black Swan vinyl got a good spinning. When I want to pump up the volume it's the turntable that delivers the best service cause my CD playing facilities act a bit shitty for the moment or have to do it with lousy portable speakers that are nearly kaput.

Thanks Graham for all the pictures and music you've added. The Dalsy liner notes are quite something. I think i'm also about in for another viewing of "The Man Who Fell to Earth" (i have the dvd) The mentioning of this in the liner notes got me thinking about if this Bowie fondness might be detected in some Triffids songs.... Hmm, and which Triffids song might sound good in a Bowie version...
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 18, 2013, 08:38:17 AM
It's been a very enjoyable day here. Most of the musical content has been of the baa baa black sheep variety, but no less magical for it. Being given orders by a two year old and either floor sitting or plastic trolley follow-the-leadering were the norm. I've got a lot from here to be thankful for! ;-)

Not wishing to sound like I'm stating the obvious, but I like Paradise. Do I detect a hint of a maxim of Marx in there? Getting on as I am I recognise the tensions the song captures. There's a bit of only onesishness to the sound I thought.

I like the web player streaming thing on the audio pages. It has enabled me to play quite a lot of Dave's stuff over the weekend with minimal effort. Some tracks seem to suddenly loop back to start mid-listen though. I assume that's a glitch in the software that might be ironed out with updates or whatever.
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 18, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention that Jarvis Cocker played Raining Pleasure on his radio show this afternoon. I would have missed it but Lynsey switched the radio on at around the time and shouted me about it.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: praxeas on February 18, 2013, 05:07:35 PM
Re Bowie influence, definitely KrieB. Dave (as far as I recall) listened to a lot of earlier stuff especially -  I do remember he wasn't impressed with Young Americans (I'll ignore Pin Ups) but then Low and Heroes got a lot of play. I think after that it was more hit and miss for him to say the least, even thought the Eno connection was part of what he liked about the last two, but Lodger...? Meh. I bought my first Bowie album, which I still have - Ziggy Stardust - after talking about Bowie with him. Oh - and The Man Who Fell to Earth was R-rated, we under 18s had to bluff their way in (four times, apparently). Heroes indeed...
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 18, 2013, 10:18:03 PM
OK there is a new song up in audio section, very special. Called Kneel So Low.  Also realised I had neglected to link via a menu to a whole category of audio files ie "David McComb". So there are probably others that you haven't heard in a bit. 
It's really too hot to move here by the way, apparently still 35 degrees and it's 11.17pm.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 19, 2013, 09:20:25 AM
Exceptional song. Seabirds, Ocean of You and this feel like a kind of trilogy. And definitely calentural (if that's grammatically possible). Is the "I'm the type who bears a grudge" a recycled element? I'm certainly familiar. I'm sure I've recycled that thought myself on occasion though not externally. Thanks also for linking up the other solo songs. You're right that Dave's songs remained at the highest level even when his continuing presence on the scene wasn't so easily felt. Listening to those gathered here tonight my impression is that his later work became a more difficult listening experience for the casual listener.....almost unfathomable at times. In a way that's unforgettable but not unlovable.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 19, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
Listening to those gathered here tonight my impression is that his later work became a more difficult listening experience for the casual listener.....almost unfathomable at times. In a way that's unforgettable but not unlovable.
Nicely put, Paul.

Re: "bearing a grudge", I don't know why the first thing that comes to mind is the list of "girls I have loved". Should that seem weird to appear in the same sentence, or is that a common occurrence for men?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 19, 2013, 08:43:35 PM
Steff, that is such a striking question I found myself at first wondering whether there was a full or half rhyme between the quoted phrases.

I don't suppose your question was directed at me, but I've found myself pondering it anyway.

My answer would be that I couldn't really comment meaningfully. It's a slightly negative exaggeration (all men are like butterflies to some extent), but you could count the number of girls I have loved on one knee!

When Leonard Cohen was accused in open interview of being a "Ladies Man", his response was something along the lines of "I've known ladies men and I'm not even in their league". I don't even know any ladies men!

Nick Cave's line in the song "Scum" was certainly written with a man in mind, although a woman suffered in collateral damage. My own occasions for ruminating on the phrase have almost certainly been exclusively in the context of men and work. Wouldn't it be ungentlemanly to think of a woman thusly?

PS On the subject of Leonard Cohen, I was struck when reviewing the "David McComb" audio index by the song called "Lullaby" on there. Leonard Cohen's latest album "Old Ideas" has a song called "Lullaby" on it too. That's probably only an odd coincidence when you consider another more obscure one within the lyrics of the more recent song. That's me, always tilting at windmills.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: milton on February 19, 2013, 08:54:53 PM
This one sounds very haunting to my ears.

Btw, listening to a Costar boot at the moment.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 19, 2013, 09:50:23 PM
Ah, tilt away...

And thank you for your thoughts, even if I don't have a penny handy at the moment. Everybody likes to take a stab at guessing how deeply personal certain lyrics of David's were, but I'm certainly glad to have had my musings lead to a more generalised answer. Oddly, one thing I've always appreciated about David's writings is that he does so well showing the complexity of men, a notion that is all too often played down or dismissed in discussions (I got to this realisation in a rather roundabout manner, and it's a point that's been on my mind for a while, so nothing that just came over me to ponder).

If I weren't so envious, Milton, I'd ask if the boot sounds anything like "step on the stairs"... Tuesday humour, always a weird mood.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 21, 2013, 12:07:03 PM
It's strange but, on the Facebook page I recently posted a photo Dave took and that has received more attention than anything else that's been posted this month, including the new song. 
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 21, 2013, 03:38:59 PM
Oh, I don't know. I've seen the song reposted a few times on other people's pages, with commentary. I do agree that it's kind of random what people reply to and what they don't. I've enjoyed reading everyone's reminiscences, though.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: seb on February 21, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Apart from it being a very evocative shot, it seems to have struck a memory chord for a lot of people who visited Marine Parade late at night, in their happily mis-spent youth  :)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 21, 2013, 05:37:01 PM
Not complaining just wondering. Reminiscence seems strong force and we should know I guess.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 21, 2013, 10:19:37 PM
Having no nostalgic connection with the subject of the photo, it strikes me as having an Edward Hopper feel to it. I'm sure I've said that about something else, possibly the same photo or maybe a different one, in the past. In which case, I still find that I'm reminiscing about a place I've never been!

PS It was a different photo:

http://thetriffids.com/forum/index.php/topic,70.msg333.html#msg333 (http://thetriffids.com/forum/index.php/topic,70.msg333.html#msg333)

[Two other observations from the search exercise I've just undertaken to double check my statistics. The search function on the forum seems a bit ineffective unless you use the advanced function. And I seem to recall at some point making an observation in the past which was pertinent to LAMF's more recent thread on "Chinese Rock", but haven't been able to locate it by searching the forum in the past. It's possible that I imagined it or posted it somewhere else like the Leonard Cohen forum instead and only imagined planting it here. Anyway, I'll keep on tracking at some point (it's only of interest to me really to reassure myself on issues of continuing sanity/memory loss) unless anyone remembers it. It was a bit like a fortune cookie combining a misconceived notion of the Gramscian concept of hegemony and the rising economic star of China. How about that for a reminiscence/clue?! ;)]
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 22, 2013, 02:30:52 AM
Getting back to the subject, I find it surprising from my facebook experience that people often seem more interested in pictures generally than words, thoughts, sound or motion. Maybe it's the immediacy of an image in these fast moving times? Or the reassurance of the possibility of stillness which a frozen image brings?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 23, 2013, 08:03:37 AM
OK there is a new song up in audio section, very special. Called Kneel So Low. 

Thanks Graham - this site is like the gift that never stops giving. Just when I thought I had heard it all, here this comes along. It is so good. Thank you! Moved me more than I would want to admit.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: son of albert on February 23, 2013, 08:12:29 AM
OK there is a new song up in audio section, very special. Called Kneel So Low. 

Thanks Graham - this site is like the gift that never stops giving. Just when I thought I had heard it all, here this comes along. It is so good. Thank you! Moved me more than I would want to admit.

In fact, listening to the whole playlist under the David McComb section I need to say 2 things:

1. You are a gent.
2. When is the David McComb box set coming out? :)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 26, 2013, 07:05:36 PM
Upon further thought I think while February will always be a focus month we should all try to keep things churning along the whole year round. So from this end I'll keep going on new things for the forums, Facebook page, and thetriffids.com in general. Whatever you all can do to spread the word is valuable. I'm sure there are members of the forums or your friends who understand better how to shift up a gear on Facebook for example.. Maybe just a concerted effort from us all in the absence of any immediate Triffids live activities is what's called for. We aren't getting any younger.
So... February all year round?
Of course there are going to be more shows, commercial releases etc but there's a lot that can be done apart from that.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 26, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
There's a good sounding costar track, Everything Fixed Is Killed up on the Audio page over at thetriffids.com
still spine-tinglingly great after all these years.
Sound slightly beefed up.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on February 27, 2013, 02:10:53 AM
Add 11 more months to a Triffids/David celebration? Dear Mr Lee, didn't you just mention we're not getting any younger?!  :o
All kidding aside, I'll be glad to (re-)educate whoever is careless enough to come within listening distance. Certainly well-deserved, hard-earned, if a tad belated, laurels to be handed out.

As always, thank you for all the awesomeness which you keep bestowing upon us. Secondly, thanks oodles to all you other "old buggers" out there who can share insights, remembrances, witticisms and general depth and direction. It is appreciated. Here's to a triffantastic year!

A Dav-oted fan (urks, couldn't resist. Sorry!) 8)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 27, 2013, 03:23:32 AM
Wow. Thanks and compliments of the continuing season to you and Julian.

I haven't heard this costar version of Everything Fixed before - I've heard the Red Ponies session version of it obviously. I've also heard a number of bootleg versions of other costar recordings (three or four songs from memory and all fine too), but didn't realise there was more down in the dungeon.

Haven't listened to the whole of the new audio yet (still at work) but a partial listen suggests it holds up well against any version before or since. Looking forward to a proper listen later.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 27, 2013, 04:08:04 AM
So... February all year round?

February makes you shiver, in the North at least......

It must be a cuspish month on the North/South Spring/Autumn axis.

I'll take 12 months of spring any day of the week...but Autumn's a special time too (and the location in which, for many, our "old bugger" years find us)
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: milton on February 27, 2013, 07:09:58 AM
Thank for another track Glee :)

I'll be hitting Austin, TX in a week and half to catch Alejandro Escovedo's unofficial yearly SXSW closing shows and I will be wearing my Triffids T-Shirt around Austin as much as possible to spread the word!

Anyone else going to SXSW this year by any chance?
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: mark t on February 27, 2013, 08:17:07 AM
Upon further thought I think while February will always be a focus month we should all try to keep things churning along the whole year round. So from this end I'll keep going on new things for the forums, Facebook page, and thetriffids.com in general. Whatever you all can do to spread the word is valuable. I'm sure there are members of the forums or your friends who understand better how to shift up a gear on Facebook for example.. Maybe just a concerted effort from us all in the absence of any immediate Triffids live activities is what's called for. We aren't getting any younger.
So... February all year round?
Of course there are going to be more shows, commercial releases etc but there's a lot that can be done apart from that.

Glee,

it's six years after the first re-issue and my local JB Hi Fi (in  a medium sized bogan town) has a Triffids section, it's permanent and always well stocked. I don't know how many sales this amounts to, but it does mean that your average punter is aware of at least a few Triffids songs and that when he/she wants to buy a CD they can. I wouldn't have expected this ten years ago when the re-issues were mooted, I wouldn't have expected it six years ago either.

I'l probably always enjoy a gig and any newly found audio (especially a new song) and I'll spread the word where I can. But I the way I see it, this is measure that our work (and in particular your work) is fundamentally done, and successfully at that.

Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 27, 2013, 09:19:22 AM
Thanks Mark. The elephant stamp rears its head again.
For me it's a promise I made without thinking I'd ever have to carry it out.


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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on February 27, 2013, 09:35:28 AM
I've just given that costar track a proper listen on half a decent speaker (a jambox fed off a bluetoothed wifi) and it sounds elemental and a perfectly stormy realisation. Like Howlin Wolf or something. I'd previously been watching a programme about late 20th century classical composers on BBC4 featuring Cage, Part, Reich, Glass, Adams, Taverner etc. I still think there's work to do.

Funnily enough I've started today with Nick Cave imploring me to keep on pushing at the skies and ended it with David McComb delivering a similar message in an almost mirrored syntactical format. I'll be starting to worry about subliminal images and reverse tracked audio sunk under the groove next.

Thanks again for the gift.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on February 28, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Well where I sit February is over almost. Thanks for all the participation here and on Facebook page. There are some postcards up on the Facebook page and a charming letter to a friend. Tomorrow we March onwards.

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Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 03, 2013, 08:46:41 AM
I've just strayed upon the lyrics of the song "Passing Thru" which Leonard Cohen has covered on record and is threatening to perform again on his 2013 tour - the reports of the song being rehearsed for the tour lead me fortuitously to a web page bearing the lyrics.

The song is obviously quite different in tone to "Everything Fixed" but there seems a similarity in the "conversational/inquisitorial" structure of the lyrical format of the two songs I thought worth mentioning.

Here are the Passing Thru lyrics:

I saw Jesus on the cross on a hill called Calvary
“Do you hate mankind for what they done to you?”
He said, “Talk of love not hate, things to do – it’s getting late.
I’ve so little time and I’m only passing through.”

Passing through, passing through.
Sometimes happy, sometimes blue,
glad that I ran into you.
Tell the people that you saw me passing through.

I saw Adam leave the Garden with an apple in his hand,
I said “Now you’re out, what are you going to do?”
“Plant some crops and pray for rain, maybe raise a little cane.
I’m an orphan now, and I’m only passing through.”

I was with Washington at Valley Forge, shivering in the snow.
I said, “How come the men here suffer like they do?”
“Men will suffer, men will fight, even die for what is right
even though they know they’re only passing through”

I was with Franklin Roosevelt’s side on the night before he died.
He said, “One world must come out of World War Two” (ah, the fool)
“Yankee, Russian, white or tan,” he said, “A man is still a man.
We’re all on one road, and we’re only passing through.”

The song Passing Thru is from the US socialist Seegerish end of the folk tradition, so has a positive spin. McCombs song spirals in a bleaker direction. The two aren't really comparable, and one probably had no bearing in the creation of the other, but a chord struck with me all the same.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on March 03, 2013, 10:01:12 AM
Red Ponies did Passing Through live on the 94 Europe tour


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Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 04, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
It'd be interesting to hear that. When was Everything Fixed written?

Coincidentally Jarvis Cocker played the Cohen Live version of Passing Through on his BBC6 Music radio show this afternoon because it was Jennifer Warnes' birthday and she sang backing on it.

Hearing it again it occurred to me that it was probably an influence on Cohen's own song The Captain from Various Positions about which I've enthused here in the past.

On reflection, none are particularly cheerful, though Cohen's songs come with a more upbeat country twang than the minor blues swing of McComb's song. The father, the son and the Holy Ghost then.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: KrieB on March 04, 2013, 10:38:39 AM
The verses of Everything Fixed is Killed are clearly written on the cadence and the pattern of Passing Through (James Paterson mentioned this 'procédé' on other occasions didn't he?) And as David starts his song also with "I saw Jesus..." it must be an intentional link... it's part of the inspiration/fabrication/added meaning - spinning further on the same thread ...
It's not that I've tried to figure this out decisively (or count the exact syllables), but the juxtaposition of the freely "Passing through" and on the other hand the trapped, "fixed" state of things... that's the thing about this pairing where my musings start...

Also, in the setlists of the costar live recordings, it was paired with Crucifixion Speech! So, there you have a nice bit to chew on! :)
 
And thank you Graham for highlighting the release-ready version of EFIK. I had the Red Ponies version on my internal juxebox...  Really great and it also makes me wonder about 'adding a final touch' to something so as to set it out as a powerful definitive version... (But aah... definitive hopefully not as in 'fixed'....)

The "Keep on working now" - part now grasps my attention, and my associative mind would link it  in a playlist to "Work for me" as sung by Fiona Kitchin
The Drones - Work For Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqAV7wz0WsI#ws)

Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 04, 2013, 08:15:21 PM
... the juxtaposition of the freely "Passing through" and on the other hand the trapped, "fixed" state of things... that's the thing about this pairing where my musings start...

Good point, KrieB. The "passing through" lyric serves as a reminder in the Cohen cover that life is a transitory experience and we should make the most of it for ourselves and the passengers travelling alongside with their own destinations and arrival time. Of course, the "arrival" point of this journey is death, and that's pretty fixed (two certainties in life etc.....). The song is also maybe a secular hymn in that sense, because it requires us to ignore the possibility of the "hereafter". It's subtlety is in the suggestion that "passing through" somewhere is only a part of a longer total journey. Maybe?

Anyway, here are the lyrics of The Captain:

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Now the Captain called me to his bed
He fumbled for my hand
[Captain]"Take these silver bars," he said
"I'm giving you command."

[Soldier]"Command of what, there's no one here
There's only you and me --
All the rest are dead or in retreat
Or with the enemy."

[Captain]"Complain, complain, that's all you've done
Ever since we lost
If it's not the Crucifixion
Then it's the Holocaust."

[Soldier]"May Christ have mercy on your soul
For making such a joke
Amid these hearts that burn like coal
And the flesh that rose like smoke."

[Captain]"I know that you have suffered, lad,
But suffer this awhile:
Whatever makes a soldier sad
Will make a killer smile."

[Soldier]"I'm leaving, Captain, I must go
There's blood upon your hand
But tell me, Captain, if you know
Of a decent place to stand."

[Captian]"There is no decent place to stand
In a massacre;
But if a woman take your hand
Go and stand with her."

[Soldier]"I left a wife in Tennessee
And a baby in Saigon --
I risked my life, but not to hear
Some country-western song."

[Captain]"Ah but if you cannot raise your love
To a very high degree,
Then you're just the man I've been thinking of --
So come and stand with me."

[Soldier]"Your standing days are done," I cried,
"You'll rally me no more.
I don't even know what side
We fought on, or what for."

[Captain]"I'm on the side that's always lost
Against the side of Heaven
I'm on the side of Snake-eyes tossed
Against the side of Seven.
And I've read the Bill of Human Rights
And some of it was true
But there wasn't any burden left
So I'm laying it on you."

Now the Captain he was dying
But the Captain wasn't hurt
The silver bars were in my hand
I pinned them to my shirt.

NOTE: I've edited Cohen's song more clearly into the mini-play form it takes by separating out the actor's parts and adding role indicators to the dialogue.

It also takes the form of an epic dialogue of a quasi-religious variety between a captain and more junior ranking soldier, who to me seem symbolic characters in a greater debate. It reminds me a little of Christ's encounter with Satan in the desert (and the "snake eyes tossed..." line specifically alludes to that).

Cohen's song delivers from a jewish perspective but with the universal tale in mind, and possibly also encompasses a dialogue with his father?

Funnily enough, I think I first got particularly hooked on The Captain whilst attempting to read Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov. I think my efforts tailed off about the section where it veers off into The Grand Inquisitor. I'm thinking that's maybe been a factor in how I came to admire it as much as I do. It saved me a bit of reading.... ;)

The "I know that you have suffered, lad, but suffer this awhile..." seems to take a cue from the third verse of "Passing Through" when juxtaposed with the jaunty nature of the country-western song.

Everything Fixed places Christ in prison rather than on the cross. I think a lot of people overlook the "arrest and detention as a criminal" section of Jesus' story. It's a change of scene that throws you a bit when you first hear the song.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 04, 2013, 11:23:32 PM
Quote
And I've read the Bill of Human Rights
And some of it was true
But there wasn't any burden left
So I'm laying it on you

Quote
I believe in God
I believe in mermaids too
I believe in 72 virgins on a chain
Why not? Why not? Why not?

Quote
"I'm very fond of Jesus Christ. He may be the most beautiful guy who ever walked the face of this earth. Any guy who said "Blessed are the poor. Blessed are the meek" has got to be a figure of unparalleled generosity and insight and madness.. . A man who declared himself to stand among the thieves, the prostitutes and the homeless. His position cannot be comprehended. It is an inhuman generosity. A generosity that would overthrow the world if it was embraced because nothing could weather that compassion. I'm not trying to alter the Jewish view of Jesus Christ. But to me, in spite of what I know about the history of legal Christianity, the figure of the man has touched me"     Leonard Cohen

A tentative suggestion of one possibility for the meaning of "Everything Fixed Is Killed" distilled from Dostoevsky via Seeger-Cohen and Cave might be that "everything fixed in stone becomes dead", or, to put it another way, that a thing too closely analysed becomes like a specimen in a petri dish and thereby loses its interest/spirit/life. So I'll stop digging and let the mystery, majesty and beauty of the song continue....
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on March 05, 2013, 03:33:45 PM
More things to look and listen over at the site and Facebook page.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: steffitee on March 05, 2013, 03:47:25 PM
More things to look and listen over at the site and Facebook page.
I'd like to hug ya! I know the guys feel like it, too, they just wouldn't admit it.
Thank you.
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 06, 2013, 07:37:40 AM
I'll admit it. In a brotherly way like. No funny business :-)

Thanks. Relaxed and insightful interview. Agree with Marty on time and Graham when it comes to dancing - fit for purpose not for porpoise. Good to have some first hand chord charts and the trick of the light.

When I read back on this thread yesterday I was struck by the fact that the conclusion of my lengthy monologues was more or less the same thing as KrieB had said before I got started (associative minds think alike). It reminds me though that often in life, and possibly when looking at life generally, the journey to a place can be more interesting  than the destination - at least from the personal perspective of the traveller even if he might make for a bit of a boring old travel companion.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 07, 2013, 07:57:57 PM
On the subject of the associative mind, the Cave/Lanegan duet of Weeping Song reminds me that it also takes a conversational form between father and son figures not unlike Cohen's The Captain:

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[Father] Go son, go down to the water
And see the women weeping there
Then go up into the mountains
The men, they are weeping too

[Son] Father, why are all the women weeping?
[Father] They are weeping for their men
[Son] Then why are all the men there weeping?
[Father] They are weeping back at them

This is a weeping song
A song in which to weep
While all the men and women sleep
This is a weeping song
But I won't be weeping long

[Son] Father, why are all the children weeping?
[Father] They are merely crying son
[Son] O, are they merely crying, father?
[Father] Yes, true weeping is yet to come

This is a weeping song
A song in which to weep
While all the men and women sleep
This is a weeping song
But I won't be weeping long

[Son] O father tell me, are you weeping?
Your face seems wet to touch
O then I'm so sorry, father
I never thought I hurt you so much

This is a weeping song
A song in which to weep
While we rock ourselves to sleep
This is a weeping song
But I won't be weeping long
But I won't be weeping long
But I won't be weeping long
But I won't be weeping long

Four songs in which the sorrows of the world are fixed in a "parental" gaze then.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 07, 2013, 08:42:16 PM
I just strayed on a pic online of the band Queen which reminded me that Bohemian Rhapsody takes the form (in part) of a son speaking to his mother. Thankully the lyric is more of a "one way street" than a conversation, so my associative mind can rest a while.....
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on March 07, 2013, 09:02:26 PM
Dangerous waters Urpal. There are plenty more and quite a few stinkers to be found.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on March 07, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
True true. I just had a telephone conversation with my daughter (she's just this morning learned to ask "where's daddy?"), and, whilst not a stinker, and profound to me, it wouldn't bear repeating beyond my personal shores even if I understood the most of it myself.

Having said that, the shared central scenery of Bohemian Rhapsody and Folsom Prison Blues had previously escaped my notice. That might be a feature of the sparseness of the one lyric and the grandolinquancy of the other.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: genkboy on March 21, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
I just finished listening to all the audio Graham has put on the website. Of course I always took the chance to listen to the new stuff that was put on the site, but now I listened to everything straight away. This took me a few days.

What a tremendous experience, it's a real treasure grove. Sound quality varies, but never bothers too much. It revitalised my love for the Triffids.

Thanks for all your effort, Graham.

 
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on March 23, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
Thanks for the thanks. More coming.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on April 05, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Re Bowie influence, definitely KrieB. Dave (as far as I recall) listened to a lot of earlier stuff especially -  I do remember he wasn't impressed with Young Americans (I'll ignore Pin Ups) but then Low and Heroes got a lot of play. I think after that it was more hit and miss for him to say the least, even thought the Eno connection was part of what he liked about the last two, but Lodger...? Meh. I bought my first Bowie album, which I still have - Ziggy Stardust - after talking about Bowie with him. Oh - and The Man Who Fell to Earth was R-rated, we under 18s had to bluff their way in (four times, apparently). Heroes indeed...

What do people think of the new Bowie album? This is Ian McCulloch's take on it:

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“I was really looking forward to hearing Bowie’s new album, but it’s bollocks, most of it. It’s Tin Machine shit. That’s disappointing because when I saw the new single I thought he’d found it again. That dignified, beautiful thing. But it’s just him farting around again with all those musos – some weird horrible jazzy thing. So that’s him back in his box.”

When I read this, I initially thought it was perhaps a bit too dismissive but not a totally unfair comment based on my own first impressions. Having played the album a bit I think it's a strong one - and it seems to me that Bowie has rarely released an album across his career which is wall to wall classics (which, I might add, is in contrast with David McComb's less recognised achievement). There are quite a few songs on the Next Day (such as Valentine's Day and The Stars Are Out Tonight) which should definitely appeal to Ziggyists. It's certainly entertaining me enough at the moment to keep the record on rotation in the car.

These may seem bizarre verging on ridiculous questions out of the blue but a curious train of thought triggered by listening to "The Stars Are Out Tonight" this morning lead me to it. Did David McComb have a serious bout of chicken pox when he was a kid? And might this have played at least a subconscious part in the writing of Chicken Killer?

The train of thought went something like this: Celebrity culture (I mean by this the culture of celebrity worship which now dominates our lives and which the song simultaneously celebrates and satirises) - Am I a participant through what I do here? No, David McComb/The Triffids aren't really celebrities, and besides the glossy mags probably wouldn't have suited them much etc
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: glee on April 05, 2013, 09:24:49 PM
I can probably find out for you regarding the chicken pox that is. Most kids at that time would have had a bout of cp.

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Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on April 06, 2013, 01:19:53 AM
Yeah, I remember having a bout myself. It was how come I definitively found out Father Christmas was my dad! Before that, it had just been a vicious rumour.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: genkboy on April 06, 2013, 06:07:29 AM
I heard the next day the other day, and it was much better than expected.
Title: Anniversary
Post by: Urpal on April 06, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
I suggest that you play it the next day, and the next then, genkboy ;)

Thinking of Bowie just now on the drive back from another deafening assault by the Swans, the following list occurred to me of the defining songs of the 80s:

Let's Dance
China Girl
Blue Monday
Same As It Ever Was
Love Cats

Not necessarily the best songs of the era (qualitative issues don't enter the room for this list), but the ones that seemed so ubiquitous at the time that when I abstractly try to recall that time now they go with the flow/occupy that mental territory (if you see what I mean). I guess what I mean is that they are the soundtrack of the movie of my 80s memory palace and I suspect that I might not be alone in this particular cinematic experience.
Title: Re: Anniversary
Post by: Bro on April 18, 2013, 04:07:56 AM
Good list. let me add Prince: Kiss. Always been song of the decade for me.