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Offline mev70

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Unreleased cassette tracks
« on: September 19, 2010, 11:25:50 PM »
I have been going through the tracks released on the Come Ride With Me boxset and trying to make a list of songs from the Triffids cassettes that were not released on it. Here's what I came up with:

"Tape 1"
- What Would The Martians Think
- Nerves
- Trouble
- Rathouse
- GBH
- Animals
- The Terrible Infant
- Infant II
 
"Tape 2"
- I'm Not Losing Sleep
- Standard Talking
- The Jinx Of E.H. Lincolnburg
- Spring In The Fall

"Tape 3"
- Mystery
- The Pit And The Pendulum And Me
- Christmas Time
- Nedlands By Night
- I'm Sincere
- The Frontier
- True Love
- All The Same
- Sixteen Again

"Tape 4"
- Everyone Likes To Disco
- Jeremy Joy
- Paradise
- Kids These Days
- Remember When You Were A Child

"The Bedroom Demos"
- Slow Decay
- In The Heat Of The Moment
- Ride To Kalu City
- Lisa
- Six Car Pile-Up
- Instrumental
- You'll Be Sorry
- Snake Pit

"Last Gasp"
- 9 interview segments between all the songs

"The Dungeon Tape"
- MGM
- Man Who Can
- The Triffids talk to fill up the tape

"Son Of Dungeon Tape"
- My Baby Thinks She's A Train
- Branded

If I understand correctly, the tracks "MGM" and "Man Who Can" has two different recordings on the cassettes.
MGM is on the following:
"The Dungeon Tape" (Dungeon Rehearsal Studios, Sydney, April 12, 1982)
"Son Of Dungeon Tape" (Dream Studios, Sydney, April 1983)
Man Who Can is on the following:
"The Dungeon Tape" (Dungeon Rehearsal Studios, Sydney, April 12, 1982)
"Son Of Dungeon Tape" (Ridge St. Studios, Sydney, May 1982)
After comparing the versions, I think the tracks on Come Ride With Me are the "Son Of Dungeon Tape" recordings.

I didn't include the original Jack Brabham tape in this list since almost all those tracks are unreleased.

Offline Max Dembo

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 09:40:17 AM »
I believe certain songs didn't fare well in the remastering (?)
process. I still can't work out how to use the little MP3 (?)
player I bought so I can't possibly judge any technology
past 1975. It makes sense however because there is
an embarrassment of riches that didn't make the cut.
The first tape is a bit rough but the exclusion of
'The Pit, The Pendulum & me' & 'I'm not losing sleep'
both written and sung by Phil Kakulas does obscure
his importance. Though things didn't come to any
Reed/Cale type divorce the analogy holds well otherwise
in that Phil was the only song writer in The Triffids
who was more than incidental. (No insult ; very few
people hold a candle to Dave within or without the
band).
People who saw The Triffids in the early 80s will no
doubt recognise Kids these Days, Frontier, Remember
when you were a child and Paradise (a little jewel of
an arrangement) among others. It's hard to conceive
of versions of these songs that are inferior to Femme Fatale.
(I've not heard this for many years but if it's been
properly mastered it should sound forgettable.)
On the other hand the 'interviews' on the Last Gasp
tape were a baffling inclusion at the time. It might have
been an attempt to shake off the 'egghead' reputation
by revealing the band could be as banal as the best
bands in the world.
In short, keep looking for copies of the tapes, I'm
sure somebody here will know.

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 02:49:55 PM »
Even squeezing as much as possible onto cds it was impossible to include everything from the cassettes. So I had to make choices. You might not agree with them. It was never a case of leaving out tracks such as Femme Fatale to make  room for worthy cassette tracks, more one of presenting a wide variety of worthy material within the constrictions of a 10CD structure. The interview bits take up very little actual time but they do contribute to the flow of the CDs they appear on. 

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2010, 08:11:06 AM »
I'm aware that, like almost every compilation
I've ever seen,  personal favourites vary and that I've no
concept of the difficulties involved in converting old
cassettes into CDs to begin with. I'm just making
the point that even a mammoth compilation isn't
going to completely do justice to Dave.
Moreover while I know David would be ambivalent
at best about the release of some tracks, Franz Kafka
wanted Max Brod to destroy his unpublished
works. Fortunately he didn't do so.
I recently got a Best of David Essex that doesn't have
City Lights on it. THAT"S a stupid compilation.
max

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2010, 11:32:51 AM »
The thing I wanted most to illustrate with the cassette material was the flood of creativity. I think this was why the early version of Jeremy Joy was used rather than the slightly more sophisticated later recording. And also why the very early, mostly improvised version of Mark appeared. 
No 10 cd collection or three and a half hour show is going to completely do justice to Dave's songs but far better to do it than not. 

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 08:10:36 AM »
Yeah, I agree. Also I hope Dave's solo stuff can be gathered
together in some format, you're probably the most
omnipresent player on that stuff and I hope it happens
sooner than later.
I no longer have L.O.W or The Message or the other EPs
and it gets on my tits.

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 02:14:33 AM »
Just wanted to confirm that I did not present these omissions from the Come Ride With Me boxset as any type of complaint. I think we all realize that the official set was far beyond what most bands present, and it does represent well the depth of Triffids material over the years.
I just thought the list may be of interest.

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 11:20:44 AM »
mev70 - understood. Perhaps I should prepare a list of other material that I have that did not appear...for various reasons. eg I wanted to use a recording of the Hultsfred Festival from 1986 but Swedish national radio who hold the rights wanted too much money. A couple of times I came across similar problems.

Offline Chris Newall

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2010, 09:29:25 AM »
I think that would be a great idea. To establish an authoritative list similar to the Gig list. Perhap there could also be a list of "unofficial" recordings also.

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 09:38:39 PM »
I am sure that some of these could be made available via the Audio page...... :)
It's an idea some day, in my tears, my dreams...

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Re: Unreleased cassette tracks
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 09:07:51 AM »
I am sure that some of these could be made available via the Audio page...... :)

Or "fall off the back of a truck" ;-)